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Post by Vince on Jan 25, 2006 16:53:18 GMT -5
I took one cla*s on it once at the Inosanto Academy. Not really my thing, from the little I saw of it. I'd love to learn more about it though.
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Post by Vince on Jan 19, 2006 15:01:15 GMT -5
Great post Bill... and this is a very important issue. It is so important to train for the reality of a real fighting situation. I always stress this with my students. When we are simulating a real fight, we start standing and work kickboxing, clinching, striking within the clinch, biting & eye gouging (simulated), throws, all ground positions, strikes, and submissions. We'll throw weapons in the mix randomly, and even have "your opponent's buddy" sneak up behind you and join in the mix. Sometimes we'll start with with guy with a hidden rubber dagger in his shorts that he'll pull out on the ground.
I've been to some schools where all the do is submission grappling. Nothing wrong with that as long as they realize they aren't training for a real fight... they are training for a grappling contest. This is not only for schools that only do grappling... but also for schools that only do 1 thing or one style of martial art. They are not preparing for a real fight.
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Post by Vince on Jan 8, 2006 20:27:01 GMT -5
There is no shortcut, you'll need to work on your clinch entries. You want to be in the clinch and work to take him down, and he wants to keep it standing. You have to have good head movement and be a hard target to hit as you enter in. You cant shortcut this, you need to drill it alot in sparring and work on not getting hit and closing the distance. There are plenty of specific clinch entry techniques, but instead of naming different techniques you can do I'll just say work what you know a whole lot in drilling.. with the main goal of obtaining a clinch or a takedown without taking damage on the way in. Good luck in your training! Let us know how the fight goes.
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Post by Vince on Dec 14, 2005 10:42:52 GMT -5
ArmyofOne,
That is great to hear. Almost everyone I teach that takedown to has problems with it at first since the little nuances of the technique can be tricky without someone who knows it there to correct it. Good job on pulling it off.
Congrats on catching your rolling toe hold. Perfect for when someone butt scoots and sticks a leg up at ya, just thinking you will sit right into their guard.
Keep up the training and good work.
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Post by Vince on Dec 4, 2005 4:17:27 GMT -5
Hey Johnny,
Good post and question. I have trained and faught Muay Thai in thailand, and it was a great experience. Yes, the techniques they work are pretty basic... but the workouts are hardcore and you'd better be in shape BEFORE you go over there. It is hot and humid and you'll ga*s even if your in great shape, so to make the most out of the experience do yourself a favor and go over there in good shape already.
There was lots of bagwork, Thai pad drills, and sparring. Your looking at 8 hours a day of training at most camps. If you research them online carefully you can find some live in camps that are extremely cheap, which include food, lodging, and the camp fee's for just dollars a day. I lived over there for 6 months like a king for $500 a month.
But back to your main question... there wasn't much new technical stuff. However it is still certainly worth it and very benificial.
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Post by Vince on Mar 8, 2006 19:45:11 GMT -5
Nice combo, I like throwing the headbutt into it. That would really help set the throw up nicely. I also like how Boyd stays on top for the armbar instead of giving up position and falling to his butt/ back for it.
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Post by Vince on Nov 1, 2005 0:40:17 GMT -5
It's one of my favorites. Very dangerous.
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Post by Vince on Oct 31, 2005 5:48:47 GMT -5
Ahh, I've got a better idea of what your referring to now. I believe I go over that position and several submission from it on my leglock DVD. I've seen some interesting stuff from it from Paulson, Gene, and Gokor... all who seem to like the position as well.
I could be wrong... but Arloski's sub on Silvia seemed alot more brute strength than technique... aided by his set of of a nice punch that connected which helps any technique along..
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Post by Vince on Oct 30, 2005 17:30:55 GMT -5
ArmyOfOne,
Here I am looking through my copy of Gene's Emcyclopedia of Finishing holds and I dont even have a page 526! Mine is the original version, which I have had since 1999. It is signed by Gene and Gokor btw. I did'nt even know there was an "expanded" edition!
As far as a "safe" position goes for leglocks, I dont think you can do much better than the "over and under" leglock position, as I show on my leglock DVD. Your opponent has almost no mobility at that point, while you have great control over his body. I think that if someone is going to go for a leglock without thowing their top leg under the opponents far leg then it is very important to keep the opponent pinned down, as close to flat on their back as possible. This is done by using your feet to pin them. If you dont do this they can work to escape, or sit up and strike you.
As far as Arlofski's submission, technically he should have been much lower on the ankle for the straight ankle lock. He was up too high on Silvia's calf during the submission. However he's so strong that he just muscled through it and got the tap. It probably helped alot that his "set up" was rocking Silvla quite hard with a punch to drop him. Silvia said in an interview afterwards that he didnt want to risk another serious injury again (like his previously broken arm) so he just tapped out quick to the submission attempt. I tried to find a video online of this submission to see Arloski's leg positioning again, but could'nt.
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Post by Vince on Oct 15, 2005 4:34:32 GMT -5
There is never any situation in which I would use that grip... other than perhaps doing the "here's the church, here's the steeple... open it up and there's all the people" demonstration. There are just too many disadvantages to it.
I've never heard of the guy doing that technique on the website you posted. He is not stopping his opponent from escaping or even keeping him pinned down in the final picture, and he is using that grip. Sure, at that point he could get away with using that grip IF his body was in the correct position AND he was pinning his opponent down, but why not just use a master grip at that point anyway? There is no good reason not to imho.
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Post by Vince on Mar 8, 2006 19:39:38 GMT -5
That is just horrible JWB. Yuck!!
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Post by Vince on Sept 22, 2005 3:13:54 GMT -5
Being a big guy it is pretty easy for me to get a smother against most people, but I feel it's sort of cheap and gross if done with the chest/ body so I really don't do it. Also, I'd hate to get used to something like that in training and then use it for real and get bitten.
Keep us posted on your progress with it.
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Post by Vince on Sept 9, 2005 22:50:49 GMT -5
I have also had lots of knee problems. I've had torn cartillage in both and knee surgery on my right one to repair it. I had to go through therapy to re-strengthen it, which involved lots of rubber band training. When it was strong enough I did alot of swimming, which was great for it and zero impact. That really made it stronger than ever.
On top of that taking glocosomine and condroiten really helped my knees to recover quicker. I don't recommend many supliments, but that one really works. best of luck.
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Post by Vince on Aug 25, 2005 1:40:17 GMT -5
Nice topic as usual ArmyOfOne.
Someone will have to be a threat in the striking department, at least enough to make him devote enough attention there to make their takedown attempt affective. Randy's striking in the first fight was perfect a example of this.
It's not going to be easy for anyone, as he knows that other's will be gunning for his weakness and he's training hard to keep it on the feet I'd imagine.
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Post by Vince on Aug 23, 2005 23:37:56 GMT -5
In sub grappling, absolutely. I have shown this exact variation for sub grappling, but I still feel that it's easier to catch it without locking your hands behind your knees, and it's better practice for the real thing.
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Post by Vince on Aug 23, 2005 14:48:57 GMT -5
Years ago I was in a NHB tournament up in Minnisota and I saw Sammy "The Squeeze" Morgan do that submission to his opponent. I think the opponent's name was Roger Nelson... or Roger something. Anyway, it worked great for him and I believe that is how Sammy got his nickname.
However I prefer a simpler entry, as it can be difficult and dangerous to try and get your hands down locked below your legs if your opponent is allowed to strike.
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Post by Vince on Aug 1, 2005 22:45:41 GMT -5
Great thread so far guys.
Hands up high and tight as most bum rushes/ sucker punches will be trying to take your head off. If your shorter then you'll need good head movement and punches straight down the pipe will most likely work easily as most folks on the street are not apt to keep their head covered or have much head movement. Punch into a clinch and work your stuff. If he's bigger/ stronger and can move you around, turn him instead of letting him push you back. Make sure a knee or elbow is waiting to run into him after each turn as he's catching his balance. If your in a crowded area, keep it standing and use him as a shield if necessary.
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Post by Vince on Jul 25, 2005 16:18:49 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by Vince on Jul 19, 2005 5:41:06 GMT -5
A "hanging leglock" as you call it, or a rolling toe hold are certainly 2 possibilities. Both have a high success rate.
What I was saying that Gokor does is have his front knee up, directly between his opponents legs and his rear leg on the mat. He stays in tight to the opponents guard. They cant reach around his front leg and body because his leg is in the way. They cant triangle or armbar him due to his front knee. It is frustrating for the bottom guard player. I suppose it's one that is easier shows than typed out though.
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Post by Vince on Jul 18, 2005 20:32:39 GMT -5
That situation is the bastard child of someone who's more interested in success in a sport than in finding what works best in a real fight, and who is not well rounded enough to have takedowns.
Ughh, anyway, when someone does that I wouldn't play their guard game just on principle. I can't say pa*s or take a leg, because it will just depend on the specific situation. Take the best thing your being offered. If they are just sticking a leg up mindlessly, thinking you will just voluntarily sit into their guard, then a leglock submission would be hilarious and appropriate. If they are trying to protect their legs then it might be more appropriate to fight to pa*s. It's a good idea to mix leglock attempts with pa*sing attempts, as they are hard to defend at the same time.
I also like something that Gokor does when he has opened a guard. He'll keep his front knee up and sit on his front foot, squatting low and wide on his other knee. It's impossible to pull someone into your guard or catch guard submissions when they are doing this correctly. It frustrates the guard puller because they are so close, but so far away from guard and it forces them to keep their guard open, which is then just begging to be pa*sed or leglocked.
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Post by Vince on Jul 14, 2005 4:19:22 GMT -5
Good question/ point. I suppose that hiplocks are sort of like wristlocks in the aspect that to make one work you'd most likely have to apply it so hard and fast that it broke before your opponent had time to resist. If you give them time to resist then they just extend their powerful leg muscles out of it. However I find that good to flow right into what I was really setting them up for; some sort of leg submission.
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Post by Vince on Jul 14, 2005 1:00:16 GMT -5
1. Heel hook
2. Upside-down-toe-hold
3. Reverse heel hook
4. Toe hold
5. Straight ankle lock/ achilles lock combo
6. Kneebar
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Post by Vince on Jul 8, 2005 13:48:27 GMT -5
Foggy,
This really is one that needs to be gone over in person. If your getting very close then a few minor adjustments would make it work. Make sure his chest is over yours and your legs are extending straight up (not back at all). The little details on this one make a world of difference.
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Post by Vince on Jun 10, 2005 4:36:27 GMT -5
Rex... that is really great. Your feedback makes it worth posting.
Stanimal... any luck with it so far?
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Post by Vince on Jun 6, 2005 1:40:21 GMT -5
Sounds like a good idea. How would I get it from the digital camera onto the RMATA website?
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Post by Vince on May 23, 2005 14:50:24 GMT -5
Stanimal,
The rib crush is one of my favorite techniques. It it rediculously easy to do IF you know how to do it right. If you can do it correctly and someone is simply in your guard... you've got em. My 100 pound wife can make me submit if I'm in her guard with it... it is all technique. When rolling I rarely even do it anymore because it's so easy it's cheesy.
It requires a lot more technical understand to correctly do than it would first appear. It is NOT just squeezing your opponent with your legs while he/ she is in your guard. It would be hard to convey how to do it right without showing you. I remember once I did it in a Machado BJJ tournament around 1998 and the guy wouldn't tap out. I slowly increased the pressure... from about 5% of my maximum strength... to 10%... to 15%... to 20%... and then snap, he ribs broke on one side and he began tapping and moaning in pain. I mention this to show how easy it is to do if done correctly... not that I would ever brag about hurting someone. I expected him to tap but I guess he'd never seen the technique before. Even the Machado brothers, who know a million plus techniques, immediatly ran over and asked me to show them how to do it as they had never seen it done before.
I have a MMA seminar tape in the rmata.com store that shows how to do it in detail. I will give a brief description here for you though;
- Your on bottom guard. - You get the center of your opponents chest touching the center of yours. You do this by getting 1 or 2 underhooks (I prefer 1). - You walk your legs up to his bottom ribs. - Here is the part that everyone messes up at first. You EXTEND your legs STRAIGHT UP while you keep his chest on yours. The meaty portion of your inner thighs must be touching his bottom ribs.
If you do all of this correctly then you won't need to apply much pressure at all and he will be tapping while your only using a small amount of your total crushing potential. If you are doing anything wrong then he wont tap even though your trying 100%. Remember... you cannot let your opponent sit up or back away from you when you do this... that is the defense to it. You must extend your legs straight up in the air... not back at an angle.
I have never taught this to anyone that did it right the first time, so good luck getting it right by just reading this. However after they practice it and let me help correct their technique the light clicks and it becomes just too easy to do.
There is a very similar one that you do when you have an opponents back that Gene LeBell showed me, but thats another story. It is on the MMA Seminar tape in the RMATA store also.
Let me know how it goes! Good luck and try it VERY SLOWLY at first.
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Post by Vince on Oct 9, 2004 4:50:22 GMT -5
Kip... you came a long way in the 5 years we trained together. You opened your mind and became a good, well rounded fighter in every range of combat. You gained more kickboxing skills than anyone I had ever trained before. I'm proud of you man, and I hope you keep up your training wherever you go! You'd better make it in for the Thanksgiving weekend skills camp!
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Post by Vince on Oct 2, 2004 16:02:17 GMT -5
I know what your saying Fred. And by the way, I dont want to come across like I'm bashing any traditional art. It seems like they each contain pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Getting the right pieces and making them stick with the glue of realistic training methods is another matter.
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Post by Vince on Sept 5, 2004 4:48:10 GMT -5
Hi folks. Several times over the past couple of weeks I've check out a yahoo martial arts chatroom. I have been very suprised at what I have been reading there. It is full of people who are traditional martial artists. I'm not saying that is bad in and of itself. When they ask me what I train, I just say MMA/ NHB. Usually they ask what that is, and I have to explain it to them. I explain that I crosstrain in several martial styles, but instead of being loyal to a certain style, person, or system, I really only care about what really works in all ranges of combat against a fully resisting opponent. I tell them that I test this by fighting in my training, and competing and NHB events. Most of them havent heard of NHB, so I say it's like the Ultimate Fighting Championship they have seen on TV. I would imagine that this is a simple idea that wouldnt involve much debate. The idea that you have to fight in your training to actually be able to fight well. Well, I run into great disagreement. There must have been at least a dozen "Martial Artists" tell me that NHB is not realistic, so they dont do it. They say their techniques are too deadly for a competition or to even train them against resistance. I've heard things such as "against a groundfighter I would just bite him and rip his nuts off". I told them that by merely ellimating a few things, like biting, eyegouging, and attacking the groin, we are able to still realistically test what really works in all ranges of combat. I have been preached to about the benifits of forms, katas, and not doing any sparring until you are "4th dan". I have learned something from them though. Not everyone is into the martial arts to learn how to realistically fight in all ranges of combat. I have had to accept that. Judging by the people in that chat room that I've been in, most of them have never even thought about fighting in all ranges of combat. They are into chi, and claim they have very deadly techniques that they cant practice. I've asked them what they would do if someone was sitting on their chest, and I've heard things such as "I'd just knock them out before they got me there". Well, what could I say to such wisdom? I tried to explain the idea of training with submissions and tapping out; but I ran into more interesting responces. They said they dont tap out in training. Their techniques dont allow for it... they just break stuff immediatly. I asked how they were able to train that way, and they said through katas. Just so you know, must of them were into TKD, kung fu, and lots of different Chinese sounding arts. I'm really not trying to put down any traditional martial arts. I truly believe that every martial art has some positive things to offer. However I also believe that no individual style or system is completely well rounded in all ranges of combat; thus the need to crosstrain. It seems to me that a person is going to be relatively tough and competent in all ranges of combat if they simply train realistically, even if they havent had any instruction in it. Take 2 brothers that grew up fist fighting each other in their backyard on a regular basis. They are gonna be some tough dudes, I dont care if they never officially studied martial arts in some school. One interpretation of "Martial" is "Combat", and they have been combating each other regurly. The same can be applied to someone that has studied a traditional martial style. If they have gone beyond those techniques and actually done a lot of actual fighting, then they are still going to be a pretty competent fighter. Sorry for the long-windedness, but here's my point. It seems like the great divide between traditional martial artists that study one style or system of combat, and Mixed Martial Artists, is that typically the traditionalists do not engage in realistic training. They dont actually fight each other in their training. They dont kickbox, strike from the clinch, throw/ takedown, and go to submissions against a training partner that is trying to do the exact same thing. They dont ever get bruised or bloody in their training. They also seem to take great offence to this idea being somehow better at preparing them for combat. Well, I appreciate any contribution and discussion on the subject. I've been going crazy debating all of this stuff lately with guys that dont train this way. Vincent Fields Realistic Martial Arts Training a*sociation www.rmata.com
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Post by Vince on Nov 18, 2004 8:44:20 GMT -5
Rex,
Were sorry you'll miss this camp. Shoot me an e-mail at vince@rmata.com please.
The 2 triangle escapes on the leglock tape are the same ones that will be on the leglock DVD. I show one that doesnt end in a leglock on a MMA seminar tape. That one ends in a body crank. It's in the store as well. It's pretty hard to explain by typing.
Vince
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