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Post by ArmyOfOne on Jul 31, 2005 3:43:11 GMT -5
Just wondering what some of you thought about a street, or bar type of situation when you are up against a taller guy who weighs more. Or even just a very muscular, hyped up kind of guy.
These types of people maybe have experience with other sports in the past and are generally athletic. The problem is that most street type of fights are just an explosion of fists and pushing on a hard surface such as pavement or a bar floor.
I've often wondered how my skills would come into play in such a fast paced, hyped up situation.
In order to win the fight/confrontation you must FIRST be able to stop the usual onslaught of wild fists and haymakers that will be coming at you. And if the guy is taller, then you are at a MAJOR disadvantage when his safe striking range is much greater than yours. And cla*sical boxing won't help you much here either i don't think.
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Post by hksambo on Jul 31, 2005 13:29:50 GMT -5
I personally have found that with taller guys a clinch or a takedown is needed. Me being of the shorter arms and height range I have found that swimming in to the clinch position when a taller guy is striking works very well. I am of a wrestling background so I am more partial to taking the striker to the ground. Other than swimming through the taller guys punches I have personally witnessed the effectiveness of changing levels and picking the a*sailent up in a double leg when they charge in. You don't even need to take a penatration step, just drop levels during the initial charge and they run right into the double leg. Let me know what you think.
Rob Voss
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Post by fogster on Jul 31, 2005 18:42:42 GMT -5
That was a good reply. Use your smaller size to your advantage, get down low and do something from there. Takedowns, come up to clinch, maybe uppercut or throw some body shots.
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Post by ArmyOfOne on Jul 31, 2005 22:10:58 GMT -5
I'm also from a wrestling background myself. And i'm also pretty good with the clinch, and muay thai work in close. So i think you would definitely have to use these skills in particular. But, in that type of situation i think anybody that doesn't have good wrestling , or MT skills will be in trouble.
i agree with the lowering of your level as he comes in. i also think a good MT clinch would work pretty well in keeping his punches off of you. And if he's not familiar with it you could probably get in a good knee.
But seriously, i think this is one of the most important fighting questions in a "realistic" environment. It's the one that you'll most likely encounter, but yet people don't talk about it much. You may have an awesome triangle or achilles lock. But if you're KTFO and flat on your a*s, it won't matter much.
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Post by Vince on Aug 1, 2005 22:45:41 GMT -5
Great thread so far guys.
Hands up high and tight as most bum rushes/ sucker punches will be trying to take your head off. If your shorter then you'll need good head movement and punches straight down the pipe will most likely work easily as most folks on the street are not apt to keep their head covered or have much head movement. Punch into a clinch and work your stuff. If he's bigger/ stronger and can move you around, turn him instead of letting him push you back. Make sure a knee or elbow is waiting to run into him after each turn as he's catching his balance. If your in a crowded area, keep it standing and use him as a shield if necessary.
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Post by ArmyOfOne on Aug 3, 2005 5:18:49 GMT -5
I have never seen the front kick, or different variations of it used very effectively in MMA, etc. But I've always thought that this would be an excellent way to parlay a wild punching frenzy away from you and help you keep your distance as well as push away. I've worked tirelessly on this technique for some time now. I've kind of developed my front kick variations to be somewhat of a jab/push off maneuver. I think it would be pretty effective in this situation but you have to be very fast and effective with kick placement. And it has to be instictive. With good leg strength and endurance. I'm able to keep my leg up for quite a while without getting tired and give some decend shots to the solar plexus and stomach........anybody else thought of using this maneuver? I wouldn't say it's for everybody, but if you're an instinctive kicker with good coordination then it might work for you.
--Ultraman
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Post by ArmyOfOne on Aug 3, 2005 5:28:55 GMT -5
Another great "technique" that is seldom thought about by guys with our type of hobby.......Mace. I carry mace lots of times, especially when going out to clubs (when i used to do that a little more), and when i knew i might be doing some drinking, etc. Carrying mace gives you a great sense of confidence because you know you can fend off multiple attackers and it's fast and easy to use in most cases, as well as easily concealable. Just pop it in your front pocket and if trouble seems eminent just reach in your pocket and have the cannister concealed in your hand and ready to use. The cannister also acts as a sort of bra*s knuckle in that it is a solid ma*s in your fist if it comes to strikes......Anybody else carry mace? It's the most underutilized form of self protection for tough guys as far as i'm concerned. I think most tough guys would be ashamed to carry it, or feel that it's only for women. I'm all about self preservation, and would like to avoid a street fight if possible. in most cases mace as a threat or if you have to use it is one of the best ways to do that.....
After a face full of mace, a guy like "kimbo slice" (or any other big guy) would be easy to pick apart in a street fight. That is unless his big group of friends didn't shoot you before you got out of there.
---Ultraman
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Post by fogster on Aug 3, 2005 8:34:18 GMT -5
Is it REALLY legal to carry that stuff in the US ? Over here you do time for carrying it.
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Post by ArmyOfOne on Aug 3, 2005 13:01:10 GMT -5
i just bought some at "Sports Chalet", which seems to have a pretty good selection (a large sporting good store chain). I even have a larger can of "bear mace", which is designed to repel bears and can shoot up to 30 feet away. This stuff is way more powerful than anything you will find for humans, and if you used it you may get in some trouble. I use the bear mace mainly if i'm doing a very late night jog/walk/hike where there may be large or stray dogs in the area. You can buy mace on the internet of course, but i guess if it's illegal where you live then it's pointless. Or maybe it's a good idea possibly. Personally, i would rather mace an attacker(s) and get away than risk getting charges filed against me. More than likely they won't know who you are, and so how will they press charges?
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Post by tac364 on Aug 25, 2005 16:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by slamem on Mar 30, 2006 21:19:25 GMT -5
I think my opinion may differ slightly from the general "technique" oriented response. I think all of these are good responses and probably work well for the individuals posting. Having said that, I think I tend to approach the unpredictable chaos of a self defense scenario slightly different that most. I believe in a formula based answer as opposed to a technique based one. When a larger opponent attacks you unexpectedly, there are so many variables to consider that there is almost no clear cut answer. But a couple of things are certain. 1. You must protect yourself. 2. You must neutralize the attacker. 3. You must inflict injury to your opponent to preserve your self from further a*sault. I believe most all of these post answer this...the thing is to analyze your attributes and using this basic formula come up with what works for you... For what its worth...
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Post by daileyc on Mar 31, 2006 8:58:14 GMT -5
I work in an environment where we have to be a little kinder and gentler than a real street fight has to be. But based on my expeiences the front kick does works great to the hip area more so as a block than an actual kick (I have never used a full blown front kick for this type of attack, so I don't know). I have had ok experiences with CS/OC, even having it out in advance. What it will always do is take the intellegent part out of the picture. What it may not do is take the fight out. So you may still have somone swinging at you, just not intellegently (which can be just as dangerous). I heard someone say (or I read it) that CS/OC is the poor man's stun grenade, which is pretty accurate.
Chad
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