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Post by ArmyOfOne on Aug 24, 2005 1:03:39 GMT -5
Almost nobody seems to be able to solve this puzzle. Liddel won't let himself get cornered on the cage and tied up. He sprawls well when attacked. From his three losses that i've seen he looks TERRIBLE on the ground, despite what people say about his ground skills. When he was actually ON the ground he got controlled and worked.
It seems that Diego Sanchez can take anybody down at will almost. Would a similar approach for Liddels opponents work well? Sometimes i think that Liddel opponents should study Diego to get some ideas on taking down a good striker.
Just imagine....the champ is VERY beatable on the ground. Get Liddel there and he is a mere mortal. If you were fighting him for the championship how would you get him there? And why has nobody been able to implement a successful takedown game plan against Chuck? The cage gives a big advantage in taking your opponent down vs. ropes and UFC fighters STILL can't do it.
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Post by ArmyOfOne on Aug 24, 2005 1:16:13 GMT -5
OK.....I'll start this off. For starters you could try a maneuver similar to the one D. Terrell did on Lindland....running out to meet him,,,going for a fake shot to the legs and coming over the top with a overhand right....because you know he'll sprawl when he see's it coming.
Another one is a REALLY good fake shot the legs to get a quick sprawl response, which you KNOW you will get. Now you quickly tie him up with a head and arm hold and work from there. Possible anaconda choke, guillotine, etc. But from here i personally would not go for guillotine. I would keep head AND arm control and work some type of sub that gave me higher control in case he got out. Or I would work to push him down from that position and just go for top ground control.
All in all, i don't understand why nobody uses his great sprawl AGAINST him either in the manner i've described or in a similar fashion....just makes sense to me.
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Post by fogster on Aug 24, 2005 17:42:18 GMT -5
Randy got him down in the first fight, just screwed up in the 2nd.
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Post by Vince on Aug 25, 2005 1:40:17 GMT -5
Nice topic as usual ArmyOfOne.
Someone will have to be a threat in the striking department, at least enough to make him devote enough attention there to make their takedown attempt affective. Randy's striking in the first fight was perfect a example of this.
It's not going to be easy for anyone, as he knows that other's will be gunning for his weakness and he's training hard to keep it on the feet I'd imagine.
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Post by stanimal on Apr 3, 2006 20:53:51 GMT -5
The biggest problem I see with most everyone who fights Chuck is that they chase after him. If I were coaching someone developing a gameplan for Chuck, I would tell them to be moving backwards, circling away from his power hand. Make Chuck get impatient and start moving forward, and circle stepping towards you. Every time he tries to square up, circle away, create distance, and make him come forward. I think too many people just go for the takedown, without investing the time and effort into a good setup.
You'll notice that Chuck doesn't throw near as many kicks as he used to (especially since the first Randy fight). I thik he correctly recognized this as the main way people would be able to get him onto the ground.
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Post by jwwright on Apr 10, 2006 15:46:51 GMT -5
Head movement and a olimpic caliber shot....dont box a boxer or have him fight somebody from chutebox..
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Post by migo on Apr 10, 2006 21:05:10 GMT -5
Well, accurate hard striking would beat him, Vernon White was landing plenty of shots but couldn't do any damage with them. Get a good aggressive striker on him and he should go down.
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Post by atlas1212 on Jun 19, 2006 10:51:20 GMT -5
1: Chuck is a great counter puncher. If you back off, he won't chase. It will just be a boring fight. 2: Watch Chuck's stance, it's VERY wide. This gives him a lot of time and position to sprawl and pummel his way out of things. 3: Diego cannot take anyone down at will, look at his most recent fight. 4: Chuck has only lost when he was overpowered. It's going to take a more powerful striker to take him out. With current UFC rules (quick stand ups etc.), unless you are INSANELY dominant with mat control (ie. randy or maybe tito), no LHW is going to beat him via grappling or ground and pound.
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