Post by ArmyOfOne on Oct 30, 2005 6:19:37 GMT -5
I know that in MMA especially many people don't like to try for leg locks b/c of some many opportunities the opponent has for striking (arms, legs, heels, etc.) , and of course if you lose position you could be reversed.
For the most part i think this is true, especially with straight ankle locks, and heel hooks, as well as knee bars. Which are the bread and butter leg locks for many.
Just the other day as i was leafing through the Gene Lebel submission encyclopedia (as i frequently do), i spent some time thinking about this quandry. And in the last section of the book called "better late than never". Moves that were an after thought i guess i saw a move that i didn't pay much attention to before. But after looking carefully at it, i think it could be a great leg lock position that is very safe and could be used effectively in MMA as well.
Basically, from the guys open guard you bring both of your legs over and interlock both of his legs in yours while crossing your ankles. He can't really move from this point. Then you move to an outside figure four of your legs. From this point you can easily get a knee bar by simply crossing one of his legs over the other and pressing up on the other ankle (kind of an upside down knee bar), or you could go for ankle crank on the other leg. All the while he doesn't really have any offensive counter opportunities and you can take your time a bit going through your submission sequences.
I'd be interested in knowing what Vince thinks of this position. And if there are any other sub. opportunities he can think of from this position. I know in his DVD i think i remember a part on this, but not quite the same variation as in the book. On Vince's variation i think you plant both feet on the opponents chest, then press on his toes and jam his legs/feet/toes down under his body, or go for the figure four ankle lock, unless i'm mistaken
For reference, in the Gene Lebell book on the Encyclopedia of Finishing Holds (expanded edition), the page is 526, chap. 16, and the move is called a "figure four leg hold (butt to butt), knee bar and outside ankle crank".
While i'm at it, i'd be VERY interested to know if Vince has ever seen the achilles hold/ankle lock that Arlovski did on Tim Silvia in their fairly recent UFC fight. I'm a*suming you saw it. I've personally never seen that leg lock before but the angle and leverage points appeared to be very effective. Have you seen it? Is it a good variation? It also was one of the few GOOD leg lock positions that you could take in a fight. No leg or arm striking opportunitiess for his opponent....Very innovative by Arlovski.
For the most part i think this is true, especially with straight ankle locks, and heel hooks, as well as knee bars. Which are the bread and butter leg locks for many.
Just the other day as i was leafing through the Gene Lebel submission encyclopedia (as i frequently do), i spent some time thinking about this quandry. And in the last section of the book called "better late than never". Moves that were an after thought i guess i saw a move that i didn't pay much attention to before. But after looking carefully at it, i think it could be a great leg lock position that is very safe and could be used effectively in MMA as well.
Basically, from the guys open guard you bring both of your legs over and interlock both of his legs in yours while crossing your ankles. He can't really move from this point. Then you move to an outside figure four of your legs. From this point you can easily get a knee bar by simply crossing one of his legs over the other and pressing up on the other ankle (kind of an upside down knee bar), or you could go for ankle crank on the other leg. All the while he doesn't really have any offensive counter opportunities and you can take your time a bit going through your submission sequences.
I'd be interested in knowing what Vince thinks of this position. And if there are any other sub. opportunities he can think of from this position. I know in his DVD i think i remember a part on this, but not quite the same variation as in the book. On Vince's variation i think you plant both feet on the opponents chest, then press on his toes and jam his legs/feet/toes down under his body, or go for the figure four ankle lock, unless i'm mistaken
For reference, in the Gene Lebell book on the Encyclopedia of Finishing Holds (expanded edition), the page is 526, chap. 16, and the move is called a "figure four leg hold (butt to butt), knee bar and outside ankle crank".
While i'm at it, i'd be VERY interested to know if Vince has ever seen the achilles hold/ankle lock that Arlovski did on Tim Silvia in their fairly recent UFC fight. I'm a*suming you saw it. I've personally never seen that leg lock before but the angle and leverage points appeared to be very effective. Have you seen it? Is it a good variation? It also was one of the few GOOD leg lock positions that you could take in a fight. No leg or arm striking opportunitiess for his opponent....Very innovative by Arlovski.