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Post by Johnny Guerrero on Mar 8, 2004 16:19:35 GMT -5
Hey Vincent - Question. I've trained in traditional arts using the required protective gear ie. headgear, gloves, foot pads, ... Now, I'm working on getting more realistic and less "sporty". Do you have any advise on learning to take the punches a little better? and what about recuperation?
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Post by Vince on Mar 8, 2004 20:09:32 GMT -5
Hey Johnny,
I think it's important to spar alot. At first the contact shouldnt be too hard because that will cause people to develop bad defensive habbits, such as reaching out to block, turning their head away, shutting their eyes, etc. Just remember, you dont have to get hit hard in training to know that you should have had a better defence. I encourage light sparring for a year or until one's defenses start getting pretty good and they are getting hit pretty rarely in sparring. After that they can receive harder and harder contact, and as long as they arent reverting to bad defensive tactics or receiving serious injuries then that is just fine. With more advanced students they can work up to receiving harder contact, stopping at the point where they are getting injured. I think it's ok to get their bell rung a little and the occasional nose bleed. This will develop enormous confidence in getting hit and knowing that it's not that big of a deal.
When I spar with people that cant hit too hard I'll let them strike me 100%. If someone can strike harder than I can take without receiving an injury I'll have them take a little sting off of their strikes. With some students I'll have to ask them to only go 80% or so, which is enough to ring my bell but not get KO'd. I do doing this type of with shin guards and 16 ounce boxing gloves.
My students and I will also put on 4 OZ NHB gloves, thick elbow pads and thick knee pads, and sparr in all ranges of fighting. We will do lots and lots of clinch work, hitting just a little less than enough to KO each other. With newer students they will do the same thing but hit lightly... again, there's no need to get hit hard to know that you should have had a better defence. This really develops a realistic striking ability in students, an the more they train and the more comfortable they get, the harder then can allow themselves to be struck.
When I'm running a cla*s with several skill levels of students and we are sparring the general rule is that you are to hit your partner very lightly, unless he asks you to strike harder. For people that have a good defensive ability and have sparred alot I encourage them to ask their partners to strike at them harder... and if they truly do have a good defensive ability they wont be getting hit much anyway.
At the apprehensive techniques/ control tactics seminar we wont be doing much striking stuff at all, since that takes alot of time practicing and we'll have more job-relevant stuff to work on. You should come to the NHB/MMA seminar at the Kokukan academy the next day as we will be working alot more striking stuff.
Vince
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Post by Vince on Mar 8, 2004 20:22:30 GMT -5
Oh, and as far as recuperation, I dont advice getting your bell rung more than once a week. I'll do hard sparring once a week, and the rest of the time do light to mid-level sparring. If you do get KO'd or a mild concussion take a month off before doing anymore mid to hard level sparring.
I'll do some drills to simulate fighting when you've just been hit hard or sucker punched. A good one is having the student spin around in a circle 20 times as fast as then can, and when they stand up the are immediatly in the fight with their partner, who is wearing boxing gloves, shin guards, etc. The disoriented partner has to try and close the distance, clinch, and takedown their partner, hang on and get his wits back, hold on close and tight while their partner is striking at them, and continue the fight. It's a very good drill to simulate trying to fight and survive after you've just been hit very hard and are very dizzy. Everyone always has fun with it too.
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Post by Johnny on Mar 8, 2004 22:02:22 GMT -5
Vince,
Thanks, good sound advice. I appreciate it,
See you soon,
Johnny
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Post by fogster on May 21, 2005 18:21:34 GMT -5
The only way to get around being afraid of being hit, is...........to get hit.
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Post by hksambo on Jun 20, 2005 1:32:30 GMT -5
I dont like to get hit. LOL
Rob Voss
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Post by fogster on Jun 20, 2005 16:57:18 GMT -5
Rob, if you ever fancy the practise, just pay for my plane ticket and I will be happy to hit you a few times.
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Post by hksambo on Jun 20, 2005 19:24:37 GMT -5
That is a disturbing and generous offer. I would like to visit the UK someday. Perhaps when I pull out of debt I will take you up on that offer. It would be fun.
Rob Voss
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Post by Vince on Jun 21, 2005 9:02:35 GMT -5
Rob, if you ever fancy the practise, just pay for my plane ticket and I will be happy to hit you a few times. What a generous man you are fogster.
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Post by fogster on Jun 22, 2005 7:01:59 GMT -5
True, do you think I should be charging for this service ?
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Post by Vince on Jun 22, 2005 17:48:04 GMT -5
If you could get paid for it, why not. No different than a professional sparring partner for pro boxers.
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Post by fogster on Jun 23, 2005 12:39:14 GMT -5
True, but I was crap as an amateur, so I doubt I would be any better now.
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Post by samantha711 on Jun 25, 2005 17:16:42 GMT -5
I also started out with TMA, Taekwondo black belt. Once I started with MMA that was one of the hardest thing for me was getting used to getting kicked hard enough to knock me down or getting punched in the face hard enough to black an eye (and I had a few).
But, you do get used to it & I agree with Vince that you don't wanna spar full force too often. We only do it about once a week where we do pretty hard kicks, punches, takedown, all the way to submission. You still need the lighter sparing to work on technique.
However, I REALLY feel strongly that you HAVE to be able to take a pretty good punch & keep going to be a solid fighter. I know that is obvious for a pro, but even on the street or for a woman, many times one good punch takes a person (who hasn't been hit) by such surprise that at that point they can easily be overpowered. So, suck it up, it's not that bad getting hit & you do get used to it!!
Suze
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Post by Vince on Jun 25, 2005 19:36:40 GMT -5
I like your attitude Sue. I wish more female (and male) students had it.
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