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Post by zucco on Jan 3, 2007 20:24:45 GMT -5
Krav Magna or Systema? I have been hearing about these two martial arts on some other forums.
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Post by donmgwinn on Jan 4, 2007 14:59:17 GMT -5
Not much experience. I can tell you what I've learned from talking to a couple of students, plus some of the work done at Bullshido: 1. Krav Maga. Ranges from pretty good to awful. Theoretically a brutal, simple, no-nonsense art, and theoretically they spar with some aliveness and are attempting to integrate BJJ and Judo for grappling. However, there are competing "styles" and Krav Maga World Wide has been pushing very hard to expand over the last few years. They haven't been very careful about who can run a Krav Maga school, so you have a lot of TKD instructors who've trained for a week (literally, a seven eight-hour days of training at a central location) and now have added Krav Maga to their signs. It seems many of these people are teaching TKD with a few "dirty Krav Maga tricks" added on. Bullshido busted a guy who called himself "Tiger Klay" in Texas (in the same town as Klay Pittman of BJJ fame--no coincidence.) He was and is a total mess with all sorts of fraud going on, but here's how he taught Krav Maga: He got certified up to the orange belt level in either Haganah or F.I.G.H.T., I forget which. That qualified him to promote people up to yellow belt. Then he quietly "founded his own style" called Israeli Attack Self Defense System and promoted himself to 5th Degree Black Belt. He told potential students that Mike Lee Kanarek of Krav Maga would recognize any belt he certified, including black belts. In the meantime, when he tested students, he would print out certificates on his inkjet with the logos of both Krav Maga organizations, but actually stating that the student was certified in IASDS. Most students never noticed. The Krav Maga World Wide people not only didn't stop him, there's evidence that some of them tried to help him cover this up. If you're brave enough, you can go to www.bullshido.net/forums and search for "Tiger Klay." Be warned, the thread is several thousand posts and runs the gamut from fake BJJ and Krav Maga to fake MMA credentials to fake Australian citizenship to fake Russian mob ties to hot checks and identity theft. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll run a credit check on yourself. 2. Systema . . . . again, runs the gamut. The bad is very bad--psychic no-touch knockouts by Vladimir Ryabko, for instance. The good is apparently OK, but not as revolutionary as they claim it is. Then again, what is?
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Post by zucco on Jan 5, 2007 1:18:32 GMT -5
Thanks donmgwinn, I have seen the names of these styles pop up from time to time on the Internet. Over Christmas I was talking to my brother-in-law about martial arts. He mentioned that one of his friends was trying to get him to try out Krav Maga. I guess this particular school bills its self on an introductory 'boot camp' of sorts. You don't actually sleep in bunks but you go through 6 weeks of supposedly intense training and you come out a BAD A$$! LOL! He said that they beat the heck out of you etc. I just smiled and said that I have heard of this style and cautioned him not to trust a school that uses such Matt Furey-esq marketing. Thanks again for the input. Oh yeah this school is in Peoria Illinois has anyone herd of the place I am talking about?
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Post by donmgwinn on Jan 6, 2007 14:14:14 GMT -5
No, but I agree that I would be very skeptical. Not saying it couldn't be a legitimate way of producing someone with a good grounding in fighting--what would Vince teach me if he owned me night and day for six weeks straight?--but I would be VERY cautious. Sounds like they appeal to the paramilitary fantasy stuff a lot of people have.
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