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Post by victorparlati on Mar 10, 2006 17:35:42 GMT -5
Here's my email address, Bill...I'd like the newsletter also.
wingchun@usa.com
Thanks, Victor
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 17, 2006 21:22:43 GMT -5
Vince:
Is the DeNiro movie you're thinking of....MIDNIGHT RUN....?
I bought a VHS copy of that flick some years ago. Very funny and entertaining.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 17, 2006 21:33:57 GMT -5
Great stuff.
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Post by victorparlati on Jan 24, 2006 22:00:10 GMT -5
"So in this specific case, with all this time to think about it of course, I would like to secure his right hand firmly with my left, not allowing it to move or come out of his pocket, and with my right hand give a serious eye jab at the same time. I would then immediatly put both of my hands on his right hand in an attempt to control and disarm whatever he was bringing out." (Vince)
***I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT, Vince. That's exactly how I train myself and my students - based on the principles I've learned from my Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu instructor, William Cheung. Got to stop/control the arm with the weapon first - hopefully while almost simultaneously stunning them with some sort of hit to a vulnerable target - and then go back to taking the weapon away from them.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 5, 2006 21:29:28 GMT -5
Yeah...I've seen this one on another website. Very nasty indeed!
This guy didn't know when to stop. If he hadn't been called off - God knows what would have happened.
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Post by victorparlati on Jan 22, 2006 21:05:29 GMT -5
"If you were happily married for 12 years, two kids, great job, new house, getting all the things you have been working hard for all your life finaly, had a great looking wife with great sex, so your not even looking for anything extra marital."
***WITH ALL THAT goin' for ya, ericjohn...why would you even think about taking a chance on throwing it all away? I could see if there was something important to you that was missing from your relationship with your wife - but that's not the case, is it? If by some chance your wife found out about it - it could be all over.
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Post by victorparlati on Apr 10, 2006 12:46:03 GMT -5
Would hate to see MMA/grappling schools go the TMA McDojo route. Perhaps tweak the protocol a little bit in order to get some more members - like Inosanto's idea of everyone wearing a black shirt with the school logo...perhaps some regularly scheduled "beginners" cla*ses, perhaps one or two informal tests along the way: "I pa*sed my intermediate level test the other day, after studying here for the last 2.5 years"...and maybe 18-24 months later: "I pa*sed my advanced level test the other day"... But that's it.
No belts....no sashes...no titles. And lots of realistic hard training.
And don't expect to make your living solely from this. VERY FEW people can - and still be legit, imo.
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Post by victorparlati on Jan 21, 2006 20:08:06 GMT -5
Sorry Bill...I added a few things to my post after you replied (hadn't seen your reply when I did so).
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Post by victorparlati on Jan 21, 2006 19:57:18 GMT -5
Good post, Bill. I train only for real combat - not sport at all. Combine Traditional Wing Chun kung fu with boxing and catch-a-catch-can wrestling. But when we go to clinch or on the ground - it's all about doing what will actually work if it were a real streetfight - so we use strikes, gouges, elbows, rips, attacks to the groin, even bites.
But that said - the only all-out sparring (full speed, full contact) we do is standup striking and kicking with full head-to-toe protective gear (gloves, chest protector, groin cup, headgear with facecage, shin and knee pads)....when on the ground using rips - it's never completely all out so that rips to the eyes, for example...and not done to the point of injury, bites are soft, etc.
I agree 100% with where you're coming from.
As for neck cranks, your comments remind me of some words of wisdom recently uttered by UFC's Matt Hughes: he said that in a real fight against someone who's really trying to hurt you - there are 3 ways to end the fight successfully:
1) Punch or kick him so many times that he's either unconscious or close to it.
2) Break a bone or tendon - so the pain he's in makes it imposssible for him to continue to be a threat.
3) Choke him into unconsciousness or close to it.
(I'm sure the same applies to your ideas about neck cranks - they are indeed very dangerous and can be a very decisive fight-ender).
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 14, 2006 13:16:25 GMT -5
Good thread. Gotta agree with the idea that when on the ground going for a wristlock type of submission - you have more control over his body than when standing...and when standing it's best to go for some sort of armlock/elbow lock that also attacks his shoulder, etc...
but there is ONE standing wristlock that I have found useful...at certain times.
It can be used to subdue someone after blocking or deflecting his straight punch (cannot be used against a hook or uppercut)....and you must be on the outside of his arm with your parrying/blocking/deflecting hand...(ie.- your left hand is contacting the outside of his straight right punch somwhere near his elbow...then sliding down and grabbing his wrist...and now using two hands to bend his joint - with most of your left hand on his wrist but your thumb spread across the outside of his hand...and completely supported by your right hand (you make a T-SHAPE with both your thumbs - your right thumb overlapping your left thumb)....bend, twist, pull up, over, down and to the outside...and he should go down...your job is not over at this point - but you're on your way.
All that said...it's hard to get in most punching situations (he's moving his arms too fast)...but against a straight knife thrust - it's a bit more high percentage....ALTHOUGH all unarmed defenses against a knife attack are at a major disadvantage to begin with.
(Can also be used against a one arm attempt to push you - as this almost simulates a straight knife thrust attack).
Requires some nice side stepping footwork as well.
All in all...not a high percentage move...but good to know in certain situations.
BTW...if he manages to lock his wrist before you can bend and manipulate it - a short, quick, but hard kick with the foot corresponding with your hand directly on his wrist (ie.- your left foot in this example)...a kick with your heel into his ribs should create enough shock to unlock his wrist - and you can continue the move. (Make sure that the knee corresponding to your kick is NOT directly in line with your foot - it should be to the outside - as this shortens the length of the kick...exactly what you need when kicking someone while holding one of their arms).
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 8, 2006 17:35:02 GMT -5
Thanks Bill...good reply...No, I haven't been coming on the board that frequently as of yet.
Actually, what you started to hint at concerning positional control is one of the reasons why I like the double wristlock so much - it can be used from so many different positions...standing. kneeling, sitting, from on top in a cross chest position, from underneath while using a bottom scissor (the guard)....
Very versatile move - and one of those moves that is functional in another way: you can use it as a finisher if you already have "control" of his body by some sort of superior positioning - or possibly as a move to initate in order to try and actually "get" a good positional advantage.
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Post by victorparlati on Feb 25, 2006 20:41:42 GMT -5
Figure four neck crank (or choke)...whichever comes first...from the standing (or kneeling) front headlock position....and the double wristlock (kimura in jiu jitsu).
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 17, 2006 22:09:34 GMT -5
Great thread, Vince.
And very well moderated. I'm impressed.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 17, 2006 21:40:00 GMT -5
Declaring victory and going home, are you... LOL. As I said earlier: I think this might turn out to be the best thread/discussion ever about Tony Cecchine. And that couldn't happen without also exposing some of your motives and tactics, Jake. [Here's another example of your duplicity: "Despite what you may think, I am not out to prove Cecchine is a fraud"...(JakeS)...] Thanks for the opportunity to have set some things straight. -Victor
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 17, 2006 20:29:29 GMT -5
"Slander is a weapon of the weak minded, if people talk crap...just ask for proof of their claims, lol." (JakeS)
***GOD...I find those words from Jake so revealing and ironic.
Has Jake "proved" that Lou Thesz's endorsement of Tony was simply "money-oriented"? No.
(But how ironic that this is the motivation that Jake attributes to someone else).
Or that Thesz was duped by Tony? NO.
Has Jake "proven" that Stanley Radwan never taught Tony Cecchine? NO.
That Radwan knew no hooks? NO.
That Shane Tucker never rolled live with Tony or Bruce? NO.
That Tony's knowledge and skill are fraudulent? NO.
You're right, Jake...Time to stop the slander. And get on with your life.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 16, 2006 23:33:46 GMT -5
What I'm about to say refers to Jake Shannon - since he's the one who never ceases to try and badmouth Tony Cecchine at every opportunity.
Whatever problems (or legitimate grievances) Shawn Chitwood has had with Tony is his business...but at least the man has not publically tried to shout about it from the rooftops. I can respect that a great deal - and especially respect the fact that he still is HONEST enough about the whole business to tell it like it is about Tony's real catch wrestling (hooking) skills.
But Jake's attitude about Tony is a whole other story.
For Jake, this whole thing sounds, quite frankly...like some sort of personal vandetta...from someone who clearly doesn't like Tony - for whatever his reasons....and then decided (as the student)...that he was now going to dig into the instructor's past with a fine tooth investigative comb...so as to be able to say: "GOTCHA".
Look carefully at Jake's latest post: on the one hand kudos is being given to guys who have trained with Tony the longest (well where did they get the knowledge and skill to earn that respect?...Answer: from training with Tony)...
but Tony is being called a FRAUD....due to his personality quirks and bad manners (of which there has to be some truth and fire - since so much smoke has come from a bunch of different ex-students and friends)...
Okay.
But acting like a jerk does not mean that one's knowledge and skill is fraudulent.
It just means that one may have acted like a jerk.
Period.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 16, 2006 12:48:32 GMT -5
This might possibly turn out to be the best thread/discussion ever done to date about Tony Cecchine. The guy clearly has some big personal issues - but as Shawn said - "Pretty amazing skill from a 'fraud'. I won't compare grapplers, but there are a few famous champions that would pay hell with Tony 10 years ago."
We may never really know where he learned his stuff (aside fom what he obviously learned from Lou Thesz around the time of the making of the LAOH tapes)...but as to Stanley Radwan...we may never know anything definitive.
What I do know for sure, however, is that his vids as a totality - and his ability to teach in a clear, concise, and thorough manner - are pretty high quality.
Love him or hate him - Tony has made a big contribution to the re-emergence of CACC wrestling.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 13, 2006 22:46:05 GMT -5
Won't get into any personal accusations and counter-attacks with Jake...since that has no place here. I will simply keep to the issues I brought up earlier:
1) Lou Thesz actually attended a vid session of LAOH and called Tony Cecchine a legit hooker on his website forum.That's quite an endorsement.
2) I find it VERY difficult to believe that Lou Thesz - arguably the biggest, and longest-running amba*sador for CACC worldwide for 7 decades - and widely recognized as one of the very best (arguably the best) catch wrestler ever...would...at the age of what?....79 ?....80 ? turn his back on his reputation for credibility and be part of a scam with two guys who were phonies...for money ? !
At his age - after all the money he made for all those years...he needed to do something like that?
Or...as Jake says...maybe he "just made a mistake" about Cecchine's skills?
Again...we are talking about Lou Thesz...this is like a Babe Ruth of baseball...a Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano of boxing...a Joe Montana of football.
No, I don't think it's likely AT ALL that he made a mistake. Tony Cecchine had real CACC skills and Thesz recognized them as such.
And if Thesz says that he heard that Radwan was in fact a legit hooker...why should we doubt him?
Because he now (at the age of 80) wants to make a few dollars at seminars with two imposters?
Again...I see this as HIGHLY unlikely.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 13, 2006 12:01:24 GMT -5
Excellent post, Chad.
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Post by victorparlati on Mar 12, 2006 14:53:16 GMT -5
Vince:
While I respect the fact that Jake Shannon has done a lot in the past few years to promote the resurgence of CACC wrestling (and I've been a fan of it since 1963)...nonetheless, I feel compelled to say a few things about his repeated attempts to discredit Tony Cecchine in the eyes of catch enthusiasts. He seems to be on a crusade regarding this matter - and some of Jake's claims have to be challenged.
Now before I give specifics - I want to say that it's quite possible that much of Cecchine's claims about who he learned from and what's he's done in the past (ie.- boxing in Golden Gloves) are not completely true - and in addition - there's certainly enough smoke around concerning his personality quirks and treatment of others to justify the a*sumption that there has to be some fire there as well.
But as MANY people can attest to (including Bll Cogswell)...the fact still remains that Tony's vids (as a totality) do contain much valuable CACC instruction - and they're done in a clear and concise matter.
Now for some of Jake's claims that have to be questioned, specifically the blog referred to on this thread - wherein Jake writes:
"Turned-off by Furey's over-the-top 'pie-in-the-sky' ad copy and outrageous prices, I began to look elsewhere. A cursory internet search turned up Tony Cecchine's name. He somehow had an endorsement from Lou Thesz so I bought his DVD course..."
***INDEED...the great Lou Thesz believed that Tony knew his stuff - and was actually present at one of the sessions wherein Tony taped his groundbreaking vid series THE LOST ART OF HOOKING. I would say that this is an indeed an endorsement.
"I personally knew Cecchine for the better part of a year...I simply asked about his claims about being a Golden Gloves boxing champion, about his lack of a competitive wrestling career, and about his unverified claims that he actually trained with an obscure pro-wrestler/strongman (a wrestler than no legit old-timers that I asked had heard of." (Jake S)
***VERY INTERESTING COMMENT...since Thesz himself on his website forum, when asked about Stanley Radwan (the man Tony claims to have learned catch from)...Lou said that he had heard of Radwan some years earlier and had also heard that Radwan was indeed a "hooker." Clearly a different picture than the one Jake tries to paint.
"Billy Wicks is another. He is a retired sheriff and Catch-As-Catch-Can wrestler (who learned hooks directly from Farmer Burns' student Henry Kohlen) that thinks nothing of Cecchine and has publically stated so. Cecchine once latched onto him for legitimacy. I have a hand written letter from Mr. Wicks saying that he feels that both he and Lou Thesz were 'duped' by 'Super-Hooker' (as he jokingly calls him) Cecchine." (Jake S)
***ARE WE REALLY TO BELIEVE that Lou Thesz, of all people, - one of the greatest CACC wrestlers of all time (and many people will tell you that he WAS the best) - could actually be "duped" by someone claiming to be an expert in catch? Lou Thesz wouldn't know an imposter when he sees him? Lou wrestled some 6,000 professional matches in his long career - and was trained by George Tragos, Ad Santell, Ed "Strangler" Lewis, and Ray Steele...some of the biggest names ever a*sociated with CACC - and Lou wouldn't know a phoney when he saw him?
Not looking to start any controversies here, Vince...but just wanted to put that out there for consideration.
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Post by victorparlati on Apr 1, 2006 22:05:31 GMT -5
Hey Vince...that was GREAT STUFF you posted from Dr. Erickson's emails. He sounds like a really honest guy who's learned a lot through his experiences.
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Post by victorparlati on Feb 18, 2006 0:00:23 GMT -5
Gotta second that, Vince.
Randy was not only a great fighter but also a real cla*s act!
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Post by victorparlati on Feb 18, 2006 11:14:12 GMT -5
NAME: Victor Parlati LOCATION: Brooklyn, NY AGE: 55
MARTIAL ARTS BACKGROUND: Wing Chun Kung Fu since May, 1975....student of Moy Yat for 8 years and William Cheung for the last 22 years...teaching here in NYC since 1984...also combine catch-as-catch-can and some boxing moves in recent years as a MMA approach...mainly from Tony Cecchine (although Fugiwara's Submission Master vids have greatly influenced me as well).
WORK: Business Equipment Sales
Married...one stepson in the navy.
Glad to be here, guys.
Used to occasionally go to Bill Cogswell's Groundfight forum , Tony Cecchine's forum, and Lou Thesz's forum....still go to mma.tv and kungfumagazine's forum.
Can be reached at: wingchun@usa.com
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Post by victorparlati on Apr 5, 2006 10:58:42 GMT -5
I think the guard can be problematic also. A good strategy if one is brought down (ie.- via a double leg shoot) and there was no immediate escape route back to one's feet. So scissoring his body and wrapping up his head and arms is a good strategy to try and neutralize his ability to hurt you by limiting his range of motion FOR A MOMENT.
Used in that way - the guard makes sense to me.
But then it's time to start immediately working to get out from there, I would think. Especially so in a street situation...in which case using the guard (bottom scissors) is one of the last places I'd want to be (or remain) when it's for real.
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