Post by BillCogswell on Mar 18, 2006 9:04:56 GMT -5
I have made a webpage locator for Catch Wrestling Clubs for those who either train at a Catch Club or would like to find one. Catch Wrestling training is difficult to find and partners who train in CACC are sparse so this will give people who are truly interested in it some possible choices. You don't need to have been trained by Farmer Burns or Frank Gotch to get listed on the page. As long as you have a location and a group that truly trains Catch Wrestling you may have your club listed. If anyone here is interested in being listed just let me know. Here is the page:
Could you explain to me alittle bit about Catch.What makes it good bla bla bla... I've seen Tony C vids and not to impressed but have always wondered what good things catch had to offer. My Grandfather was in the same army unit as Lou Thez and I've been doing some research on him. So any good vids or other info would be cool. Just trying to open the no gi mind alittle:) THx JW
Post by BillCogswell on Apr 5, 2006 6:38:44 GMT -5
Catch is basically amateur wrestling (High school/College wrestling) plus submissions. The differences I have found are in the overall gameplan. Whereas Jiu-Jitsu is the gentle art Catch focuses more on causing as much pain and discomfort as possible from the beginning to the end of a match. Also as in wrestling Catch practitioners focus on staying off their backs rather than working from there. If a Catch guy gets stuck on the bottom he immediately tries to escape, even if bottom guard position is where he ends up. I don't think it's any better or worse than BJJ (for example) but I have learned plenty from both. I prefer the Catch game as it most fits my own game (for no jacket submission wrestling anyhow) and personal style. I also feel Catch transfers to real self defense better than most other grappling arts. Anyhow, the submissions are slightly different as well as compared to JJ. I know people think an armlock is an armlock but there are differences in application from Catch to JJ.
Cecchine's Catch Wrestling is representative of his own style of Catch. There are other good materials out there on Catch as well such as Fujiwara's "Submission Master" DVD set from www.scientificwrestling.com and Hidetaka Aso's material which can be found on www.budovideos.com.
Those are my thoughts on it anyhow but everyone will have different tastes and motives to train so what's gold to one may be tin to another.
Post by victorparlati on Apr 5, 2006 10:58:42 GMT -5
I think the guard can be problematic also. A good strategy if one is brought down (ie.- via a double leg shoot) and there was no immediate escape route back to one's feet. So scissoring his body and wrapping up his head and arms is a good strategy to try and neutralize his ability to hurt you by limiting his range of motion FOR A MOMENT.
Used in that way - the guard makes sense to me.
But then it's time to start immediately working to get out from there, I would think. Especially so in a street situation...in which case using the guard (bottom scissors) is one of the last places I'd want to be (or remain) when it's for real.
I am in no way saying the guard is not useful or even a desirable place to be, but for me it is counter diffucult.
While I will train ju jitsu and get better with the guard, I much rather be in side control or even neutral position.
If in the guard, a guy can:
Stall and wait for his friends to step on my head.
Pancake me, while his friends come and step on my head.
Hold me down and call his friends to come step on my head.
Basically overall, its a position I can not easily escape to run if needed.
Also, so many submissions and attacks from the guard I feel put me in a bad position if I miss them.
Many times, I have had someone in the guard or half guard and they pa*s it to go strait to a mount. All because I missed a submission. Now I know alot of this is due to inexperiance, but catch teaches to my stength. That is a rear mount, and also transitions wrestling holds I already know to submissions.
I would love to take this to my ju jitsu cla*s and confuse the hell out of my cla*smates.
They already get confused when I use more sombo style armlocks.
Has anyone seen the Hidetaka Aso 100 Submissions DVD and would you recommend it ? I would like to get the Fujiwara DVD's along with all of Scientific Wrestling's library...just waiting for a holiday discount special to get them all (yes, that is a hint Jake...Father's day is coming up real soon..
Post by BillCogswell on Apr 9, 2006 10:30:22 GMT -5
I love Aso's material! His Submission Bible is amazing and his 100 Submission Arts is great as well. You can often times find the Submission Bible on eBay and Aso has 2-3 other DVD's on www.budovideos.com.
Ohh I just wanted to tell you guys a little J-dub true life story on the gaurd (for Victor)
I work in downtown St Louis...And have delt with some really crazy,bad people. ( I buy homes and rehab them) from crackheads jumping out the windows to stuff to funny to talk about hear.
I'll skip the why but.. I tell a gentleman to calm down or he will be fired. I turn to speak to another person and smash a fist has pounded my face. I look at him in disbelief and I feel blood in my mouth. He runs about 60 feet before I catch him....Scramble scramble thai clinch and we end up in a pit the city is working on the streets (mind you I'm in my dress shirt,pants and very slick dress shoes.) I lock on the choke and go to gaurd tighting the choke.. few mouments later I role him over as he has went to sleep and I still am bleeding.... Moral of the story if you end up in a pit with a crack head and the gaurd helps put him to sleep you beter use it... JW
Me to bro, me to.... I feel I was pretty nieve to the real world before that day. Sounds bad but every body is a bad guy in the hood until proven differant. You have to think you have to go home to the family every night. And no bad guy is worth me not seeing my kid (kids in a couple weeks.)
A great way to find places in CATCH Wrestling!! Great Stuff!!
Thank you (BillCogswell) for adding my name, as I am part of the "training partner locator"!!!!
I have been teaching myself submission wrestling for a while and practiced with a few individuals, but I do need more "on the mat" practice to proceed further with my skills and I am working hard to communicating with some decent people, etc.
I do respect Catch heavily and have learnt very much by the History also. Catch wrestling does seem to focus more on -getting out- of the bottom rather than other methods which are more common in styles like BJJ . However, It doesnt mean one system is right and one is wrong! They're both right!!
In the old-time Catch Wretling rules, pinning was allowed so it was rather logical to train yourself to escape from these positions rather than to stay put. To top this, there are also evidence where the old timers would stay in the bottom position to wear out their lesser skilled opponent, and I think think Richard Cardinal talked about that once during his AT-Shows (not 100% sure it was Mr. Cardinal).
I guess Catch Wrestling has its own fair share of moves just like any other art. As for me, I train for many different scenarios. There will be oca*sions when the guard is useful, and another time when it isnt. It is best to train yourself in all possible positions.
To end it here, I have Cecchine's Lost Art of Hooking and I have Fujiwara's Submission Master 1 and 2. I found them very useful and educational. Cecchine's was my first instructional video and it gave me a good mind set compared to how I should grapple previously from other styles, etc. The only negative comment on Cecchine LAOH is how he saperates Catch way to the "Judo and Jujitsu circles" I chose to ignore that narrow minded ways but in all, a very good buy! As for Fujiwara, you can get some great examples to submit someone and it even includes some conditioning excersies to boot. Again, another great buy In my opinion.
Oh well, here it is, my first comment on RMATA. LOL
Last Edit: Jan 16, 2007 9:16:08 GMT -5 by maslearner
Post by purplejaguar on Mar 29, 2013 13:58:23 GMT -5
Shalom and How are you guys? I am 32 and I currently I live in Phila., PA. 19154. I am interested in learning, studying, training in and eventually getting certified to instruct, train, and advise others on how to get certified to become an instructor him or herself in CACC wrestling. Can anybody tell me of any schools that instruct authentic CACC wrestling or of any certified instructors? I clicked on that link that is posted at the top of this website's forum page that helps to find CACC wrestling clubs.
I couldn't find any CACC clubs or certified instructors. Maybe I am not correctly doing it right. I think you need to fix it or inform people like me how top use that link properly so he or she can find the certified clubs that properly instruct authentic CACC wrestling or a certified instructor that he or she can learn from. Later Michael.