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Post by Rex on May 9, 2004 20:30:31 GMT -5
Vince,
hey man I know your as busy as a one legged man in a butt-kicking contest.
I was just wondering when you were going to post the curriculum for us. I'd like to get a head start you knkow ;D
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Post by Vince on May 9, 2004 23:32:11 GMT -5
Rex,
It should be up on the site soon. As soon as the curriculum is posted we'll get the first newsletter sent out to everyone. It's taking a bit longer than I expected to get it all written up. I'm including techniques, drills, and concepts from many people, styles and systems that cover the whole spectrum of all of the ranges of combat.
What you can certainly be working on is the sparring/ grappling requirements. They go beyond mere techniques and require developed attributes; otherwise you wont be able to complete them. Each level requires a number of rounds equal to it's level number. I'll cut and paste the level 5 sparring requirements below so you get an idea of what I mean;
Sparring Requirements (Each of the following requirements can be done on different days. All rounds are 3 minutes with one minute breaks between rounds) - 5 Rounds of boxing sparring. - 5 Rounds of kickboxing sparring. - 5 Rounds of takedowns & throws. - 5 Rounds of clinch sparring with takedowns. - 5 Rounds of submission grappling. - 5 Rounds of NHB Sparring
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Post by bailey on May 10, 2004 22:17:52 GMT -5
Vince, I am the co-instructor of grapplers guild with jeff and i head up the kickboxing and MMA part of the school and i can't wait till the curriculum comes out. It sounds like its going to be one hell of a program that your putting on!!!
Can't wait to see whats its like ;D
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Post by getgoin on May 12, 2004 6:34:49 GMT -5
Vince, just a bit of clarification please, you wrote if I understand it right that for each level you would have to do that many round sparring, level 10 = 10 rounds of sparring. So you have, - 10 Rounds of boxing sparring. - 10 Rounds of kickboxing sparring. - 10 Rounds of takedowns & throws. - 10 Rounds of clinch sparring with takedowns. - 10 Rounds of submission grappling. - 10 Rounds of NHB Sparring you said it can be done on different days, so here is what I am getting at, is there a length of time to be covered for the test? For example, Level ten as used prior in my example, 3 months to finish the level ten test. Also if you go say 8 out of the ten rounds and get knocked out, do you have to do all ten round over again? Also if you get submitted in the grappling area what would happen?
I know this is alot to throw at you right now so please take your time in answering. I am sure that it will become crystal clear to me once I see your guide lines. Thanks.
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Post by Vince on May 12, 2004 15:23:20 GMT -5
Fred,
Great questions. When the curriculum is up I'll be sure and clarify those issues for everyone on the "Curriculum" page.
There is no time requirement between testings. When a student can satisfy the requirements of a given level they have that rank. This is part of our "no politics" policy. Different students will of course take different amounts of time to pa*s the requirements of a given level, which is fine. They can go at their own pace.
When you can demonstrate, teach, and perform each technique in a given level you've satisfied the technical portion. For the sparring requirements at each level you have to be able to do that many rounds of sparring per that level straight through. For example, at level 10 on one day you will do 10, 3-minute rounds of kickboxing sparring with a 1 minute break in between each round. If you can’t make it through all 10 rounds or if you need longer than 1-minute break then you’re not ready for that level. If you get knocked out then you will of course have to stop and you wont get that level. Say you get through all 10 rounds successfully then you have to do the same things on other days for the other types of sparring. When you've gone through all of the sparring types and successfully done 10 rounds of 3 minutes with a minute break between each round you've finished the sparring requirements. It doesn’t matter if you get submitted in the rounds... as long as you keep going and finish all of the rounds.
These sparring requirements ensure that a student at a certain level can actually fight; that their attributes are strong (endurance, strength, speed, timing, etc). To be able to finish the sparring requirements students will have to be sparring in all of the ranges of combat on a regular basis. If they are doing this they should have no problems with the sparring requirements.
When I test someone I don’t want to watch them do all of their sparring rounds of each type (that would take 60 rounds at level 10- too long). For example, say it was a level 10 test, I'd want to see them do 10 rounds and we'd mix up every sparring type. They would still be 3-minute rounds with a minute break per each round. I'm sure if a student could get through those sparring requirements then they would be able to do the same thing with the other sparring types of rounds.
When my students and I train sometimes we'll try to burn out just one sparring type and do around 20 rounds of kickboxing. Other times we'll rotate through each sparring type, doing a round of weapons sparring, a round of kickboxing, a round of boxing, a round of clinch striking, a round of clinch striking with takedowns, a round of submission grappling, a round of NHB sparring, and then repeating them all. The students that train this way have no problems when it comes time to pa*s the sparring requirements in a certain level, as they have already done the same thing many times.
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Post by Vince on May 12, 2004 15:26:21 GMT -5
Hey Bailey,
Good to hear from ya. I'm working on the curriculum and it's taking a lot of work. I'm getting input from several of the world's top martial artists to ensure well roundedness. It should be up on the web soon.
Hopefully we'll all get to meet/ hang out at the skills camp this fall.
Vince
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Post by bailey on May 12, 2004 20:54:21 GMT -5
When and where will the seminar take place i will do my best to get up there although i will be in college.
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Post by Vince on May 12, 2004 23:40:21 GMT -5
Bailey,
The exact date isnt set yet. It will be in Carbondale IL (centrally located in the country). It should be around October- November. The website will be updated when the date is set. We'll pick a weekend when a lot of people can make it.
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Post by Rex on May 12, 2004 23:45:16 GMT -5
Good posts ppl. Looks like my couch conditions is going to have to be stepped up..LOL
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Post by BillCogswell on May 17, 2004 6:33:02 GMT -5
Guess I'll have to get my lazy butt in shape
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Post by Rex on Nov 5, 2004 5:01:38 GMT -5
You finished with this yet Vince???
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Post by Vince on Nov 9, 2004 16:25:50 GMT -5
Rex,
It is 99% done. There has been a lot of editing going on with it for some time. I am sorry for the delay. Things have been quite hectic around here with work, school, and making a leglock instructional DVD. Expect the curriculum to be all finished soon!
Vince
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Post by toejoe2k on Oct 4, 2005 9:02:11 GMT -5
Hey Vince, Sorry to nag..but, you shouldn't make this stuff this good. How are things progressing with the cirriculum? I'd like to be able to start working on the requirements for level two as soon as they are made available. Having said that, I know that you keep a busy schedule so don't feel like we're all tapping our foot and being impatient...as for me...I'm just excited to continue.
Do you plan on coming back to San Antonio in the near future or will it be around the same time in the calendar year (June-ish)? I can't wait to be there.
Thanks for all that you do and keeping us motivated and eager...like kids outside a toystore.
--Billy
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Post by Vince on Oct 5, 2005 16:21:53 GMT -5
Hey Billy,
Not nagging at all... it should have been posted on the website already. As soon as it is I'll let everyone know via newsletter and the website will anounce it as well.
For now, just make sure your sparring requirements are taken care of. Make sure you can spar and grapple as many 3 minutes rounds as possible with every type of sparring that we do. Then when it comes time to get further rank the techniques will be the simple part.
I always love coming to San Antonio to train with the guys there, but now that Michael Young has moved to Austin I doubt anyone from the Kojukan academy will bring me back in. However all we need is enough interest and I'm there anytime!
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Post by tac364 on Oct 8, 2005 14:37:21 GMT -5
Hey Vince, James has been working hard to schedule semimars for the rest of the year and 2006 - some grade A training (ex. Adam/Rory Singer, possibly Matt Thornton). He was sporting the RMATA shirt last night at his UFC 55 party. I know everyone enjoyed the seminar. I'll touch base with him - - or maybe he'll see this, but I know there is plenty of interest in and around San Antonio. Not sure of the locations??? Let me know if you are doing any anywhere near Texas and we'll see if we can squeeze it in your schedule and shorten the trip. laterz. Johnny www.tabmoc.com
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Post by Rex on Nov 10, 2005 4:32:55 GMT -5
Hey Vince Just wanted to know if you could give us a update on this
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Post by Vince on Nov 10, 2005 18:37:53 GMT -5
Hey Rex,
I regret to say that I have just not had time to work on it, as I've been working like mad on my thesis and teaching daily. As soon as I get a lull in my schedule it wont take long at all to get the curriculum completely finished... as it is close to finished right now. I just want to make sure it is done with 100% of my effort with no shortcuts. Stay tuned and make sure you're ready to tackle the sparring portions of each level.
Vince
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Post by BillCogswell on Nov 22, 2005 13:12:54 GMT -5
"as I've been working like mad on my thesis"
This certainly is a first priority! Good luck Vince, not that you'll need it!
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Post by tac364 on Nov 26, 2005 11:37:01 GMT -5
Keep up the hard work Vince...I did see that the site now says that they are ready! Can't wait until they are ready to ship!
Johnny
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Post by lance on Jan 19, 2006 23:08:11 GMT -5
"as I've been working like mad on my thesis"
whats your thesis on mate?
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Post by Vince on Jan 20, 2006 0:55:45 GMT -5
Hi Lance,
Good question. So we don't get off topic here I will start another thread about my thesis on the "General Topics" board.
Vince
PS: Welcome to the forum!
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Post by toejoe2k on Mar 13, 2006 14:04:08 GMT -5
Any progress on getting this cirriculum posted? If you need someone to key in the html for you, I'll volunteer. There are several of us eager to continue our persuit in this system. Thank you for all your hard work.
~Billy
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Post by Rex on Mar 14, 2006 6:06:03 GMT -5
yeah what he said
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Post by Vince on Mar 14, 2006 8:39:54 GMT -5
Hey Billy,
Thanks for the offer Billy. We don't use html to edit the rmata website so thanks anyway. We use yahoo sitebuilder, which is just like a point and click method of site building. Very simple.
The curriculum is very close to being finished, and I'll get it posted up on the site as soon as it is. There are several people evaluating it and small changes get made. Once it is released and then put on DVD it will be too late for changes.
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Post by toejoe2k on May 18, 2006 15:14:03 GMT -5
Vince, Greetings. Well wishes from the Great State of Texas. I hope that all is well and you are bathing in prosperity. There are still several of us just chomping at the bits in eager anticipation for the cirriculum and DVD to be made available. How're they progressing? I've also been trying to hide money from my wife so that I can make a trip to Carbondale and steal some of your time as well. I know you shouldn't have to hide money from your wife but, if I want to visit the lair of Vincent the Great...that's what I must do. Apologies for pestering you about the cirriculum and further well wishes for you and yours.
~May we all find Peace until disturbed. Then, may we earn victory.
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Post by Vince on May 18, 2006 16:59:52 GMT -5
I hate how long the curriculum is taking to get finished... hang in there. This is something I want to be done right and I havent had the chance to get it finalized just how it should be. I don't expect it to be too much longer though, as things with work, training and school are getting on a more normal schedule for me.
If you ever want to come in and spend about 10 hours training over 2 or 2 1/2 days let me know. I do that often with guys who aren't local and just fly in for a crash course.
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